The Detangling Conundrum
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The Detangling Conundrum
Hey everyone. My transitioning hair (5 months) has lots of different textures in it. One of such textures it a patch at the very top of my head with coily, fragile, hard to comb hair. In the last 3 months, my detangling attempts have been nearly fruitless. I experience twice as much breakage in this area than any other section of hair-- and even worse, my detangling only perpetuates the issue.
Let me say that I have attempted all types of remedies; i.e. detangling in the shower (in sections), using oil with conditioner to detangle, working my way down the size of combs(shower comb--> medium sized comb---> smaller sized comb), using a denman, etc. I literally can't comb from root to tip in this area no matter how long I work on detangling this section. Most nights I give up halfway through (usually 7-8 mins.) after seeing the insane number of hairs come out in my combs. Yet if I half assedly detangle I end up with matting.
I'm pretty much in a place of acceptance that this area of my hair will never be quite as right as the rest due to being unmanageable. My question is, is it better(healthier?) to entirely detangle this patch weakened hairs and breakage be damned-- or to just go through it with my shower comb and 'let it do it's thing' no matter the tangles or matting?
Let me say that I have attempted all types of remedies; i.e. detangling in the shower (in sections), using oil with conditioner to detangle, working my way down the size of combs(shower comb--> medium sized comb---> smaller sized comb), using a denman, etc. I literally can't comb from root to tip in this area no matter how long I work on detangling this section. Most nights I give up halfway through (usually 7-8 mins.) after seeing the insane number of hairs come out in my combs. Yet if I half assedly detangle I end up with matting.
I'm pretty much in a place of acceptance that this area of my hair will never be quite as right as the rest due to being unmanageable. My question is, is it better(healthier?) to entirely detangle this patch weakened hairs and breakage be damned-- or to just go through it with my shower comb and 'let it do it's thing' no matter the tangles or matting?
Electrum- Posts : 30
Join date : 2010-04-13
Age : 31
Location : Uncaged
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
this is the state of affairs on my entire head, so i hope someone replies soon.
i've found that when i let it dry without thoroughly detangling, more hair breaks off.
i usually just use a wide tooth comb; i don't go smaller and smaller with teh combs. i've never tried a brush. maybe continue to detangle, but don't do it with little combs ever?? i don't know.
if it is just a patch, can you finger detangle? that way you can pull the strands through the knots slowly?
can you wear it in styles that don't allow it to tangle as much? maybe in a roller set, with the hair set on big rollers? maybe with that you could comb it every day. i don't know yet, haven't tried it, but want to. or in twists or braids all week, with only your own hair? i don't know if that works or not for keeping tangles at bay.
washing in sections also helps with avoiding tangles.
i've found that when i let it dry without thoroughly detangling, more hair breaks off.
i usually just use a wide tooth comb; i don't go smaller and smaller with teh combs. i've never tried a brush. maybe continue to detangle, but don't do it with little combs ever?? i don't know.
if it is just a patch, can you finger detangle? that way you can pull the strands through the knots slowly?
can you wear it in styles that don't allow it to tangle as much? maybe in a roller set, with the hair set on big rollers? maybe with that you could comb it every day. i don't know yet, haven't tried it, but want to. or in twists or braids all week, with only your own hair? i don't know if that works or not for keeping tangles at bay.
washing in sections also helps with avoiding tangles.
HappyCurly- Posts : 298
Join date : 2010-04-16
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
Electrum wrote: I literally can't comb from root to tip in this area no matter how long I work on detangling this section.
^^^This is the problem. You should detangle your hair in sections, loaded with conditioner from tip to roots (from the ends to the scalp).
Check out this video
I hope this helps!!!
Lynnieluve- Posts : 8638
Join date : 2009-10-30
Age : 46
Location : Mississippi
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
i try it in sections, with condit, from end to tip. i still see broken curly hairs in my comb. i hope it is just b/c i'm still transitioning, but i wish i could think of something to stop it! lynnie: you're all natural now; can you comb your hair with condit with no breakage now?
HappyCurly- Posts : 298
Join date : 2010-04-16
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@ Happy Breaking is a part of transitioning...one reason I didn't make it pass 4 months.
No I can not comb my hair dry without PAIN or some breakage. It's not a lot like transitioning though.
No I can not comb my hair dry without PAIN or some breakage. It's not a lot like transitioning though.
Lynnieluve- Posts : 8638
Join date : 2009-10-30
Age : 46
Location : Mississippi
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
No, I mean can you comb the natural hair with condit and water, without breaking? i tried the big chop, but didn't quite make it. i've still got an inch or so of relaxed hair left.
HappyCurly- Posts : 298
Join date : 2010-04-16
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
If detangling is causing this patch of hair to be weak and damaged, i would just let it "do its thang".
When you detangle in the shower do you do so under water?
I used to have detangling issues but what has helped me is 1.) detangling in sections and 2.) detangling with my head underneath the water.
when water is added to the conditioner it gives it more slip for some reason which helps alot. Also I finger detangle first then use a wide tooth shower comb. I dont use fine tooth combs.
HTH
When you detangle in the shower do you do so under water?
I used to have detangling issues but what has helped me is 1.) detangling in sections and 2.) detangling with my head underneath the water.
when water is added to the conditioner it gives it more slip for some reason which helps alot. Also I finger detangle first then use a wide tooth shower comb. I dont use fine tooth combs.
HTH
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
I do detangle from tips to roots. Ya know how when you're done (tips to roots) detangling your comb should be able to slide from roots to tip, just as a making sure... this never happens. There's always more snags and tangles.
Electrum- Posts : 30
Join date : 2010-04-13
Age : 31
Location : Uncaged
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
Hi Electrum,
Around my fifth month of transitioning is when detangling became an extremely hard and long task for me. I only made it to seven months and it was the beginning of the seventh month when I big chopped. I was experiencing too much breakage because my natural hair was growing in extremly thick. How much longer do you plan to transition?
Around my fifth month of transitioning is when detangling became an extremely hard and long task for me. I only made it to seven months and it was the beginning of the seventh month when I big chopped. I was experiencing too much breakage because my natural hair was growing in extremly thick. How much longer do you plan to transition?
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
HappyCurly wrote:No, I mean can you comb the natural hair with condit and water, without breaking? i tried the big chop, but didn't quite make it. i've still got an inch or so of relaxed hair left.
Yes I can comb it without breakage. The only thing that comes out is shed hairs.
Lynnieluve- Posts : 8638
Join date : 2009-10-30
Age : 46
Location : Mississippi
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
Hello ladies i know all too well about not being able to detangle........ my biggest issue is when my hair is DRY.... conditioner does help alot and i love the kinky curly knot today leave in conditioner its a big help its been five months since my last perm..........i haven't did the bc yet as of right now im just braiding my hair in cornrows and wearing a wig i was going to do the bc in dec because of friend of mine is telling me to wait until i get more length since im a long hair gal......its so hard to manage with two different textures anymore suggestions?
Afronique- Posts : 14
Join date : 2010-07-16
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
krazy coils wrote:Hi Electrum,
Around my fifth month of transitioning is when detangling became an extremely hard and long task for me. I only made it to seven months and it was the beginning of the seventh month when I big chopped. I was experiencing too much breakage because my natural hair was growing in extremly thick. How much longer do you plan to transition?
I really don't know... in a month I'm going off for my freshman year of college and big chopping just doesn't seem to be conducive right now. With so much more on my plate, I don't know if I'll have the patience or the high self esteem to cut off most of my hair. Did your tangles get better after chopping???
Electrum- Posts : 30
Join date : 2010-04-13
Age : 31
Location : Uncaged
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
Electrum wrote:krazy coils wrote:Hi Electrum,
Around my fifth month of transitioning is when detangling became an extremely hard and long task for me. I only made it to seven months and it was the beginning of the seventh month when I big chopped. I was experiencing too much breakage because my natural hair was growing in extremly thick. How much longer do you plan to transition?
I really don't know... in a month I'm going off for my freshman year of college and big chopping just doesn't seem to be conducive right now. With so much more on my plate, I don't know if I'll have the patience or the high self esteem to cut off most of my hair. Did your tangles get better after chopping???
Don't BC until you are ready and feel comfortable. Yes my tangles and the detangling issue got better after my BC. I had to really get used to short hair but the breakage and the extremely long detangling sessions came to an end.
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
I'm not sure if this will help but I'm 5+ months in as well and detangling has been VERY time consuming and difficult lately. But I finger detangle while I apply my DC mixture (I really hate this part, but I lose a lot more hair if I skip it). Then I do my usual detangling (which doesn't take very long after the finger detangling) under running water saturated with Tresemme Naturals Moisture Rich conditioner (large tooth comb only, I feel like the brush takes too much of my hair out). However after I partially air dry and start to braid my hair for a braid out, I come across my problem section which is always tangled again, so I apply extra Giovanni Direct Leave in or Darcy's Botanicals Transitioning cream and then seal with Shea butter, really work it in and then gently comb it through. I think the first and last step are key for my problem section, I lose so much less hair and it comes out VERRRYYY soft. So maybe if you do the same but to just your problem area, it will help.
Also when I add the extra leave in and sealant, no hair comes out at all when I comb it again.
Also when I add the extra leave in and sealant, no hair comes out at all when I comb it again.
Ms.Fenty- Posts : 168
Join date : 2010-02-15
Age : 36
Location : CT
sorry, long answer
i have the same thing at the top of my head. its extremely thick and dense and breaks when I just touch it. Actually most of my hair is like that. lol
You just have to be patient. If you are only giving yourself 7-8 minutes to "get it over with," you are not being patient enough. It takes me hours to detangle all of my hair, so I just leave it in protective styles for weeks at a time. I only have to comb my hair once a month! =] And when that day comes to detangle & style, I turn some music on & make sure I have nothing else to do for the next 24 hours so I can take as long as I want and I don't need to rush. Here is what I'm working with. . .
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FINGER DETANGLE first, and do as small sections as it takes for your hair. I hear people say they only do 6-10 sections but I have to do more like 20-30 to be able to get a wide tooth comb through without breakage. And also, finger detangling doesn't just mean using your fingers like a comb, but separating each knot with your fingers. Katie from HappyGirlHair made a very good video about it:
To answer your question "is it better(healthier?) to entirely detangle this patch weakened hairs and breakage be damned-- or to just go through it with my shower comb and 'let it do it's thing' no matter the tangles or matting?"
It is better to entirely detangle, but VERY GENTLY.
If your hair is really fragile, I would recommend combing it less often and leaving in protective styles. I'm in college too and protective styles are great for when you don't have time for your hair.
You just have to be patient. If you are only giving yourself 7-8 minutes to "get it over with," you are not being patient enough. It takes me hours to detangle all of my hair, so I just leave it in protective styles for weeks at a time. I only have to comb my hair once a month! =] And when that day comes to detangle & style, I turn some music on & make sure I have nothing else to do for the next 24 hours so I can take as long as I want and I don't need to rush. Here is what I'm working with. . .
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FINGER DETANGLE first, and do as small sections as it takes for your hair. I hear people say they only do 6-10 sections but I have to do more like 20-30 to be able to get a wide tooth comb through without breakage. And also, finger detangling doesn't just mean using your fingers like a comb, but separating each knot with your fingers. Katie from HappyGirlHair made a very good video about it:
To answer your question "is it better(healthier?) to entirely detangle this patch weakened hairs and breakage be damned-- or to just go through it with my shower comb and 'let it do it's thing' no matter the tangles or matting?"
It is better to entirely detangle, but VERY GENTLY.
If your hair is really fragile, I would recommend combing it less often and leaving in protective styles. I'm in college too and protective styles are great for when you don't have time for your hair.
JazmineB- Posts : 308
Join date : 2010-03-30
Age : 32
Location : California
Re: The Detangling Conundrum
I am 8 months into my transition. I do not EVER comb from root to tip even after detangling. Your roots are very thick for that.
First I mist hair with water, add in cheapy condish and coconuct oil. Then I start with my hands getting rid of big tangles and little ones. then i big comb from bottom to top detangling. I section each section as i'm done. That is about 6 sections. Then i shampoo. Then I add my reconstructor (a protein treatment). reconstructors are detanglers as well so I make sure hair is still detangled with my wide comb. Wash out the reconstructor after 15 to 30 and add deep condish. Detangle slightly. Then leave it for 30 min to 4 hours (depending). Do not touch it as DC is drying. Then i rinse it out and comb it gently as I'm washing out. Then I towel dry pretty much and add my leave in everywhere. then I detangle a section, this time using a denman like brush and add a few drops of IC polisher (a heat/sun protectant) and some coconut oil. Then I either braid it up by section to air dry or get a blow dryer and blow dry it out by section.
The only time it should be able to comb from root to tip is if you blow dry it.
First I mist hair with water, add in cheapy condish and coconuct oil. Then I start with my hands getting rid of big tangles and little ones. then i big comb from bottom to top detangling. I section each section as i'm done. That is about 6 sections. Then i shampoo. Then I add my reconstructor (a protein treatment). reconstructors are detanglers as well so I make sure hair is still detangled with my wide comb. Wash out the reconstructor after 15 to 30 and add deep condish. Detangle slightly. Then leave it for 30 min to 4 hours (depending). Do not touch it as DC is drying. Then i rinse it out and comb it gently as I'm washing out. Then I towel dry pretty much and add my leave in everywhere. then I detangle a section, this time using a denman like brush and add a few drops of IC polisher (a heat/sun protectant) and some coconut oil. Then I either braid it up by section to air dry or get a blow dryer and blow dry it out by section.
The only time it should be able to comb from root to tip is if you blow dry it.
krys419- Posts : 280
Join date : 2010-06-27
Age : 36
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